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A lot of people were saying they wanted to discuss this song.
I think a lot can be read into it.
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I definitely want to talk about this song, thanks for starting the topic Pranav. It can mean so many different things.
This is what I wrote in my post in the Temple of Thought thread about this song so I will paste it to here...

I want to know who Jeremiah is. He intrigues me and he can be several people I think. Is he a literal old west peacekeeper as the title and music imply? But he has no gun. Is he just a man keeping his love safe and making sure there is peace for his love? Yet the song implies(IMO) that he is keeping the peace for the world. He could even be Jesus as the line "your wounds will be his scars..." could be our sins for his scars on the cross. And the line "the here and now will bow to him to serve only one purpose, to keep your peace..." possibly means worship. I know it says "when the night comes, he will need your open arms.." but that doesn't have to mean physically. It could mean you're open and accepting .

These are just my thoughts and I am really interested in hearing what others have heard in this song's lyrics :)

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For me, he'll always be Roland from The Dark Tower.
You should read that, cause I don't wanna make too much spoilers ;)

He sees an eternity in a blink of an eye - probably in the fourth volume, Roland was able to benefit from some kind of magic ball. He saw the past, present and future in a few minutes, quickly as the blink of an eye.

And for him this life is made of time and choices - oh, it's a very sad story... He sacrificed his friend to get to the Dark Tower, and even sacrificed his beloved, choosing the tower. He had many tough decisions to take.

I could analyze in this way most of the lyrics, but as I said before, I don't want to reveal too much from the book :D
Currently I'm reading the fifth volume, Wolves of the Calla, maybe I'll discover more similarities in there.

Listening to this song while reading... An incredible atmosphere :)
And at the end, the poem on which the book was based, maybe it could be helpful:
http://classiclit.about.com/library/bl-etexts/rbrowning/bl-rbrown-childe.htm


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I'm wondering if it was written from Marko's perspective... (I realise I'm being terribly presumptious here, with no intention to offend!).

Can't be easy sometimes being a rockstar, always in the limelight, every aspect of your person being judged, but whatever gets thown at him ("outside the desert wails a curse of rage and jealousy"), he "takes on the world all in a stride", coz he knows what he's doing is right for him, making music ("all the while his stars and moon shine brightly"). Seeing the bigger picture and not wanting to throw back mud, "he fights without a six gun on his side". But I'm sure he (like every human being!) sometimes has doubts, if he & the band should keep going, and knowing there are people who love the music will make him "invincible" and allow him to focus on the "here and now...to serve one purpose", to keep our peace/to heal our wounds through the music...

It's just a feeling I got after listening to it, probably strengthened by the fact that Marko is the front man and writes the lyrics, to think he might want to share an aspect of himself behind the alter ego of Jeremiah Peacekeeper...

But who knows, it's just an idea, I could be completely off the mark and it's about some fictional character! :D


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Here's a quote from an interview I just translated:
Dark Side of Light wrote:
Ennio Morricone – moods

In Saaresto’s opinion the best representative of cinematic rock on the album is The Ballad of Jeremiah Peacekeeper.
-You can feel the dry dusty sand from a western movie in it and the door to a saloon opens. There’s just enough of Ennio Morricone-spirit in there, Saaresto refers to a famed movie score composer who wrote the music for The Good, the Bad and the Ugly-western.


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Oh yea, I definitely get that western movie feel from the song! I tend to listen to a lot of movie scores, and this is definitely very cinematic... Guess the real question is, who's the person behind Jeremiah, or who/what does he represent...

ps. cheers DSoL for another great translation! :D


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This is the song that I find hardest to understand in the album, and probably in the whole POTF discography.
I get the feeling, but I can't get the meaning, somehow (but then again, what if this was the purpose of it?)

When I first heard it, it sounded to me like some god-like figure. Especially lines like "your wounds will be his scars" puzzled me at first, I wondered if it could be Jesus. But then, why calling him Jeremiah Peacekeeper? Though Jeremiah is a biblical name too.. :?

Since it's the only lyrics that has Marko's character alongside on the booklet, I thought if Jeremiah could be our old acquitance Zoltar. In the end, what do we know of him? And he really looks like someone who "to be invincible, he needs your love".

Then in the main booklet picture Marko/Zoltar/mysterious-character poses as Jesus too :shock:
The mystery is growing...

OK, even thought Jeremiah seems to have traits that are beyond human, this might be going out of the way ^^

Also because this all changed after the first chorus: suddenly the song seemed to gain western colors (yes Marko, we "feel the dry dusty sand from a western movie" :wink: And for a while I imagined this kind of Clint Eastwood there, so I'm glad he mentioned Morricone: at least I know I'm not totally imaging things :D ).

But Jeremiah might also be something metaphorical.. like a character that symbolizes the hope and faith of the many people in this world.

trpiotrek's interpretation looks interesting, but I know nothing about The Dark Tower, so I cannot tell. Anyway, I also wondered if he could be a character from some movie or book (yes, I wonder a lot :roll: ).
Or, hey, how about a character from a story Marko has on his own mind?

Long post short: I have not come to any conclusion, and I'm very curious to know what other people think :)

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The first time i heard the song i didn't and still don't understand completely but i will say that i felt sorry for him because whoever Jeremiah is he has the burden of watching over humanity and we cant even help him.



I also think that the song is saying that peace is best kept not by having a weapon and the power but living peacefully but peace is only permanent when its given with love or something like that lol. I think I get the idea but I can't explain it you know? That happens a lot with their songs.


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Oh yeah, I thought about western when I heard it. I agree with autor of first preview - for me, he looks like a type of midnight rider, cowboy-gangster, wearing long black coat and broad-brim, but he is not a man this style. He is not make gunfire, and he is'nt loud guy at all, Jeremiah fight for peace, but not in a crime or war way. In my vision he is associated with artist, painter, alone in small desert town; he is paint, and exactly his pictures help him "save peace" (maybe it's works like Alan Wake's manuscript? I think so). For to be invincible he needs our love - because he saving OUR world :!: He is a solution-maker.

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:) very interesting thoughts about Jeremiah Peacekeeper.

It's like I'm feeling with him the whole burden he tooks on himself. Hmm I too wonder, who he might be.
But I also wonder, if those attitudes he has, also could be very good our attitudes. The whole view of the world, to beloved ones, to humanity.

All in all this song reminds me of 'With silence comes peace, with peace comes freedom, with freedom comes silence' while 'he stands in the doorway, quiet like yesterday' and cos he needs our love 'love will find an answer': 'compassion is the answer - be part of the solution'
He shows his love to all humanity in form of being on the front of that 'silent war' and I definitely want to join him. :)

add: I have the impression, that the whole 'war' takes place in his thought/mind and that nothing can be stronger, than the power of our thoughts. Cos nothing will change, if we don't change ourselfs, starting with our thoughts.

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I supposed Jeremiah is a Bible character. I'm afraid I'm not able to explain it right now, but that's my idea about him.


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The feel I got from the whole song was the Civil War of USA, north vs. south. And that he was a southern soldier. Somehow Cold Mountain movie came to mind... "Come back to me. Come back to me is my request."<- The most memorable line for me from that movie.


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kngofgames wrote:

I also think that the song is saying that peace is best kept not by having a weapon and the power but living peacefully but peace is only permanent when its given with love or something like that lol.

Oh I like this idea a lot :)

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On the grounds of the lyrics, I see Jeremiah as someone who has sacrificed himself for the greater good. He has the weight of the world in his shoulders but he doesn't mind because he is selfless. He is very focused on his mission and he gets his strength from the idea that the one(s) he protects stay safe because of him. He knows that violence is not the key to maintaining peace. The key is love. You may not see him but you have to believe in him.

With these thoughts I came to the conclusion that he is a guardian angel or maybe our creator himself.

When I tried to visualize the feeling of this song I also got the western movie feeling, possibly because of the name of the song. I don't know why but the image I got looked like Morgan Freeman standing outside a saloon. :lol:

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That song intrigued me from the very beginning. I won't have my peace until I get to know the reasons behind the choice of the name (cause you know, there has to be one) :P Heck, I even tried a research on topic: peace in the works of the prophet Jeremiah.

But the song still leaves me blank, I've stopped trying to decipher the meaning and I take it only as an beautiful, climatic "movie-like" story. Marko is a great storyteller :) Only insight about the song I have is my feeling (and it's probably caused by the theme of the whole album): Jeremiah is that elaborate ("cinematic") form (sorry, it's terrible word, but I can't think of any better English one now) of a man being protective of his loved ones. Especially over that one woman in his life. He tries to heal her wounds, keep her peace, when there's the need he fights with the world for her serenity. But to keep on doing that he needs her love, nights spent by her side give him strength for the next day. But that's only my limited view.

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Jeremiah seems to be one person who wants peace in any way possible. He is a silent guardian kind of guy, and sounds somewhat like a dark angel. I am not so sure but this is what I think. But it's really an interesting song. Love it to bits


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He tries to heal her wounds, keep her peace, when there's the need he fights with the world for her serenity. But to keep on doing that he needs her love, nights spent by her side give him strength for the next day.
This is the reason why the song reminded me of Cold Mountain, I just didn't have the right words for it.
The man, an injured southern soldier, receives a delayed letter from his love, asking him to stop fighting, stop marching and return to her because she needs him so much. And he does, he goes almost through hell to get back to his love. Too bad the movie has such a sad ending after the beautiful joy of reuniting.
(Sorry to go on and on about Cold Mountain, hehe.)


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Different people - a lot of comments... :wink:

Actually when I first heard this song I had thoughts like that there are a lot of people in the world who are successful in what they do, but not personally - it`s kind of sacrifice you do for success, it`s price.

And so this song is about this guy - he is cool, he is tough, he is master of his business, but in the same time he is alone, all he need in order to be invincible is love, her love.

Perhaps my idea comes from my life as without no doubt there were a lot of challenges, I had to make some difficult decisions but there were no person beside me to whom I`d dedicate that all, who will feel what I feel to her - in this moments, again, you might agree, people become invincible.


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a man being protective of his loved ones. Especially over that one woman in his life. He tries to heal her wounds, keep her peace, when there's the need he fights with the world for her serenity. But to keep on doing that he needs her love, nights spent by her side give him strength for the next day. But that's only my limited view.
That's one thing I had not thought at all: that he could be "simply" a man protecting his loved ones (hey, isn't this a way to save the world too? ^^)

In a recent interview Marko said that many songs are not really about a single fact, but it's kind of a 'mix' of different things ideas, that concur to make a song. Might it be like this? That Jeremiah is somewhat of a mix: of a man fighting for a right cause, a man defending his loved ones, doing all he can to keep peace in his world (family, friends, the people in his life), or even a musician, as Faolin said... and all these things go together on a more 'universal level' with creating the picture of a figure that seems to protect the whole world.

gosh, I have 2 posts and N different theories already in this thread :D Sorry, it's just that.. I cannot solve the puzzle.

And I still wonder if it's the character that Marko dresses up as. You know: he's witnessed the Signs Of Life, gone through all that Carnival Of Rust.. and now he might have found his dimension in the Temple Of Thought, where he can see it all from a higher view :)

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Well, I don't have a clear interpretation of this song. This song gives me that feeling that I can't quite put into words yet...

Yes, again western feeling. I picture a lone rider on his horse, in the night, civil war times. Just an image and nothing else, every single time I hear that song, and that's a lot of times! :)
I have a mental image for about every song by the Poets!

Gonna subscribe to this topic and see what others make of it!

Thanks, Pranav for creating this topic, I so wanted this song discussed! :)


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Lisa wrote:
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a man being protective of his loved ones. Especially over that one woman in his life. He tries to heal her wounds, keep her peace, when there's the need he fights with the world for her serenity. But to keep on doing that he needs her love, nights spent by her side give him strength for the next day. But that's only my limited view.
That's one thing I had not thought at all: that he could be "simply" a man protecting his loved ones (hey, isn't this a way to save the world too? ^^)

In a recent interview Marko said that many songs are not really about a single fact, but it's kind of a 'mix' of different things ideas, that concur to make a song. Might it be like this? That Jeremiah is somewhat of a mix: of a man fighting for a right cause, a man defending his loved ones, doing all he can to keep peace in his world (family, friends, the people in his life), or even a musician, as Faolin said... and all these things go together on a more 'universal level' with creating the picture of a figure that seems to protect the whole world.

gosh, I have 2 posts and N different theories already in this thread :D Sorry, it's just that.. I cannot solve the puzzle.

And I still wonder if it's the character that Marko dresses up as. You know: he's witnessed the Signs Of Life, gone through all that Carnival Of Rust.. and now he might have found his dimension in the Temple Of Thought, where he can see it all from a higher view :)



This is all conspiracy 8) :twisted: :twisted: :lol:


I think it`s more about what anyone finds - same as STINGs songs - you just find yourself in that character from the point you`re standing.

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I don't know, but my husband is a long term peacekeeper, and from all the things he told me about his missions, what he saw; what he went through, what were his feelings before, during and after every mission, it was like I could see those things told in the song. In some missions peacekeepers were not allowed to carry weapons not even for self defence (things have been changed but still they are not allowed to shoot anybody if not in extreme situations to protect civilians or themselves, as they do not participate to military operations sensu strictu).
Though their military preparation must be always at the top, particularly on the strategical point of view; they are the people that mostly have contacts with locals, and this contacts make you see things from the innocent's point of view; bring scars in the soul that never go away (so your wounds will be his scars).
I can't tell the nights I found him crying remembering some details of his missions, this scars will never go away, every peacekeeper learn to live with it, but forgetting is impossible.


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Has anyone else watched Trigun because he kinda reminds me of the main character Vash at least in some ways.


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Has anyone else watched Trigun because he kinda reminds me of the main character Vash at least in some ways.


Yup, that's what I've been preaching in the comments of the few preview articles of the new album that were linked on POTF twitter.
Mainly people clicked on the name Jeremiah and thought of it being something biblical, but my mind, my temple of thought clicked on the the word Peacekeeper. We all have our own favorite peacekeeper, I think. Mine is Vash The Stampede from anime/manga/movie Trigun. When Poets announced the name of track 10 on twitter, I thought of Vash, but when I read the preview article

http://passioncolorseverything.com/blog/?p=1384

I was sure it's about Vash The Stampede

Gunman – check
Western setting – check
Desert – check
Long coat – check
A watcher over the world and its people – check
He keeps them safe and at peace, suffering in their place if need be. – check
To live through all that he needs love and acceptance from the people he is protecting – check
He has magical- or superpowers to make reality bend to his will. – check
Jeremiah could well be interpreted as some god, but even with all his powers he seems too human and vulnerable for that. – check

For me who is a great fan of Poets and Trigun, this works for me and I'm so happy.
I'll try to explain some points, 1st four are selfexplanatory, without spoilers i hope.


A watcher over the world and its people: Due to circumstances of how the people got on the deserted planet, he feels responsible for all the people on the planet, and he has the time to do so, believe me.
He keeps them safe and at peace, suffering in their place if need be:His moto that he lives by is Love&Peace, metioned in the song, he fights with his gun, not to hurt, but to save peoples lives, and in the process wants everyone to live, give even the criminals another chance on life, as a consequence of this choice (or way of life) back from childhood, his body is now full of scars
To live through all that he needs love and acceptance from the people he is protecting:He is not a famous star, in fact his kinda infamous, but only cause his reputation is overblown. The effort he puts in his actions is all worth it cause there are people who know him deeply and love him and accept him for who he is.
He has magical- or superpowers to make reality bend to his will: He looks human, but there's something different in him. It has someting to do with new form of plants that humans have created to make electricity, water, fertile ground, etc. He is fast, skilled with gun, kind of a ubermench, think of Wesker in coat from RE5, but a good guy with a heart. Has an inherit devastating superpower and does not like that it has it.
Jeremiah could well be interpreted as some god, but even with all his powers he seems too human and vulnerable for that:Vash is kind of god-like, made a hole in the moon, but I've already said about some of his skillset. He could play god he wanted to but that is not his agenda, in fact his motives are more human, and because of scars he feel vulnerable. It's the main villain who wants to play god.

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He sees an eternity in a blink of an eye What to say here and not spoil it? :D
And for him this life is made of time and choices He has all the time he needs to fill it with choices to help, save, roll anothers man dice, all in favour of saving and leaving everyone alive.
So he fights without a sixgun on his side At some times he does not have it, but his primary tool of justice is a gun with which he deals his Jesus-like alegory with six bullets. Also, the name Trigun hints at somethings else :) In the end there's the fourth one.


So for me it works, but a combination of a POTF & Trigun fan is rare I think, and I am so grateful I know of these two, cause they are the best, No.1 to me in their categories. Those are my two cents. I wish we could one day find out what was Marko's reasons and foundations to write this song. They could be different. I..., I'm not struggling to pinpoint this song, to me it's perfectly clear. It works somehow. :)

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Wow so many different interpretations! :D
I agree with most of you, and I think the song can be interpreted any which way, and still make sense. It's a chameleon. :D

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Well, i thoght Marko a bit interprets himself with that guy (like David Bowie do with Major Tom). So, I think it possible that we could hear about Jeremiah again in the future, in another song(s)

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At first verse, I too thought that he was speaking about God. Shortly after, I figured out that this is the character from the previous songs - in other words - Marko himself. This song is actually the most personal piece of music he has ever made. Like you could look right into his soul. He was broken hearted too. He went through all the emotions he sang about. And in the end we could see him naked - beaten up, suffered, the sad face behind the smile. As "peacekeeper" he describes exactly what he does - doing something in the name of other people's good. The only thing he need is love. Not to be invincible. "Invincible" is a metaphor for "able to be alive". Marko never revealed does he have a family or not. I hope he does, because this song screams of desire for being loved. If he has a wife/girlfriend, then the song could be his gratitude to her for loving him. If not, then it's the dark agony inside him to be loved.
In a recent interview, Marko mentioned that he was thinking of quitting music after Twilight Theater. If he ever decides to do so someday, then he has all of my support. This person deserves to be happy. He supported me in my worst and in my best moments. If he is smiling only because of us, then I don't want him to torture himself like some martyr.

Let the true light shine in your heart, Marko! All the best wishes from a person who respects you for what you've done!

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I think my inside-Jeremiah Peacekeeper (whose real name is Cassandra, in my case)is about to resign, really sick of fighting for having absolutely nothing in return, cos I'm not really able to conquer the love she's so fighting for...
A so strong warrior, mine, able of such an incredible strength. How many scars on her body, how many times she had to shout to me to not give up and to rise. Even in my darkest moments when everything seemed totally lost, she never abandoned me and on the strength of her shield and her sword, she protected me, defeating my monsters, doubts&fears... But she's still waiting for what she need(s) to be invincible, since too long by now...
But I am sure she won't give up, cos even if she needs to, she's really not able to... it's just not in her DNA. So, it could be she loses this and other battles, but sure not the Life-War...
Because, first of all I AM A MOTHER and only then, a woman...

Surely POTF Jeremiah Peacekeeper is much more than this, the most deep, intimate, subconscious form of Love every human beings own, capable of such an extraordinary strength. Our inside-warrior always ready to protect us, defending us and fighting for us, as well as our loved ones whoever they are, till the end. A Love-warrior feeding on Love, every kind of... for to be invincible...

And that purposed "need" instead of "needs": a story told in third person regarding yourself... IMHO.

And if there's some reason why POTF called him Jeremiah, I don't know it as well as I don't know if Jeremiah Peacekeeper is a character of some book/novel or a real "hero"...

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Arvigeus wrote:
At first verse, I too thought that he was speaking about God.
... This song is actually the most personal piece of music [Marko] has ever made. Like you could look right into his soul.
... [Marko] deserves to be happy. He supported me in my worst and in my best moments.
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Let the true light shine in your heart, Marko! All the best wishes from a person who respects you for what you've done!


Take a note on Arvigeus' post. I sign the quoted parts.

For me that is quite a christian rock (I have no clue of it, but anyway). This is a song of God and in the same time I agree with the mood in that thread that it can depict a mortal also, which comes to show the divine particle that is part of everyone on the Earth.

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