Marko body language is just fabulous ^^

YEAH! WIKIPEDIA WAS RIGHT!!
I'm sorry if I ruined the Poet's surprise but I was too excited, I had to share

Love at the first sight: that's what I felt when I saw CYHM video! Marko is an exceptional singer and a brilliant actor... the way he moves his body, his hands, the expression on his face are so touching. The main feeling in the video is hope, hope in human beings. In spite of all our differences, we are all alike deep inside if we are willing to be just ourselves. To see all these people smiling, giving hugs really warmed my heart. I think the video has come out timely when presently there is so much despair and misery in the world. Only compassion can lead to a better world.

Ok, in my honest opinion...

The song sucks big time. I NEVER understood why POTF choose their worst songs as singles, this doesn't happen all the time of course, just something like 65% the time.

In Carnival of Rust they missed Roses and instead included Sorry Go 'Round and Locking Up the Sun.
Bad choices if you ask me. Roses would've made them much more famous, plus, it's a much better song.

I didn't like Revolution Roulette.

And Twilight Theater is a little better, still, it isn't as good as Carnival of Rust or Signs of Life. Thank God we have No End, No Beginning.

And now, again, they chose Can You Hear Me, a song they pulled up their butt, even when they had No End No Beginning to chose which is as good as the first cd's.

I hope they make wiser choices for their next album. I miss the acoustic guitar harmonies and the guitar solos.
I'm sick and tired of the Hard-Rock vibe or the Crappy-Rock-30-Seconds-To-Mars vibe. POTF is (was?) an original band, not a copy cat from bad Rock

Killjoy he walks in just when it's turning sunny. Killjoy he talks like it's all about the money.

@Warvick You're entitled to have your opinion, nothing wrong with that, but what songs in your opinion are great and what are not are just that, your opinion. And to say something like "Roses would have made them more famous" is just silly. How can you know that? And to say some song is pulled from up their butt is just rude. I'm sure they put a lot of effort into all their songs. You may not respect all the choices they have made or like all the albums either, but it still remains their choice.

That was all. Continue everybody.

@warvick
Maybe the reason why they'd chosen CYHM for the video is that CYHM will be one of the song of the next album?
BTW, NENB is great stuff but I think it's only for "Alchemy vol.1" song

I love it.

I just finished uploading the Can You Hear Me video from the Tavastia concert in Helsinki Such a nice cong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8tCX7syY78&feature=channel_video_title

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Sure, it's all about subjectivity, but still, some songs are fresh and some sound like any-other-band-in-the-world, and that's where I want to make a point, most of their singles (from the 2nd and 3rd albums) are not fresh, at all. They're just rock songs, nothing epic, nothing special, why should anyone listen to some more of the same old same old?
You just pay attention, some songs are not worth publishing because they're not interesting or original, the world doesn't need more rock songs that sound all the same, it doesn't change things or shape culture at all.

Because of the support they received over the net, you look for Roses in Youtube and find lots of find videos. You may say "oh well, but being famous isn't the goal" of course not, but selling more cd's is, because it helps them make longer tours or travel further to meet fans in other parts of the world.



Trying to reason with you is of course a futile intent, after all most of people here are die-hard fans, who think that anything POTF is good just because it's POTF. This is of course ludicrous.
It's funny how many people in this forum say things like:



It's like "Oh you didn't like it? Well just listen it relentlessly until you do!" I despise this kind of cult-like behaviour.
It's not my intention to bash the band, in fact they're my favourite band, but if they are doing shitty songs I won't say "oh I never listened to such beautiful melodies in my life, Marko is truly an angel sent by god".

Fan-critiques are useful for a band, in fact they're crucial. Think about it (or don't). If someone who supported your music from the beginning says to you "Hey dude, you're losing your touch" you listen to him, because:
A) He/She Knows what you're capable of
B) Your previous work had a positive impact on him/her.
C) They saw something fresh in your music that they couldn't find in any other band in the world.
D) They supported you from the very beginning, it's obvious their critiques are not destructive but constructive,


Oh of course, Marko could feature in one of Justin Bieber's songs and people like you would say "He's such a talented artist, he isn't concealed in just one music genre, his music is so beautiful". When in fact it sucks.

I can understand you are disappointed, Warvick, but your attitude is is not only rubbing people the wrong way, but is also misplaced. While it's true the dream of a band is to sell their albums, genuine artists, like PotF, do not ask for anything more than that. You can like their music or not. You can choose to buy it or not. Otherwise, our opinions mean very little. True musicians make the kind of music they love and then hope others will like it, too. They don't go trying to please everyone. That was never and should never be the goal.

So, I honestly have to ask you, who are you to say this song or that video is terrible? Are you an expert? How can you know what works and what doesn't? Sure you can like or dislike something but to go as far as what you said makes you sound as if you know them but you really don't. I've been a fan since 2004 and I certainly cannot say I know them even though I've met them and laughed with them. I would love to say they are my friends but I'm just a fan. And that's okay.

People here have been honest with their opinions. There are others that have said they don't like it. You are far from alone. Your complaints are constructed in such a way as to lose all credibility. And besides, you sound like you're whining. Please be kinder and more thoughtful so that we can more clearly understand why you stand where you do.

Warvick,
you don't find their singles very outstanding? have you played cards? you don't give out better cards early or you lose. albums should always have "hidden gems", don't you agree?
finally, did you pay for the material you're bashing? if so, return it and demand your money back.

If there are a lot of Fan videos of Roses in You Tube, it seems to me that the song is getting a lot of attention even though it was never released as a single, and I'm sure many people will find it regardless then. And what comes to my opinion about fame, I couldn't be happier if they had a big break, even if it meant a lot less gigs in Finland or whatever, as long as it meant good things for them.


I may be called a die-hard fan, since I do like most of what Poets have done, but apparently you don't know me at all. I don't like all their songs, but I don't go ranting about it endlessly or think they didn't put effort into them or, as you so charmingly said, that they pulled it up from their butt.


That's not a quote from me and you made it seem like that. I don't advice people to listen to a song they don't like untill they do. I couldn't achieve such a thing myself, so I wouldn't expect it from anyone else either.


You could have fooled me. Actually, you did.


I have no problem with critique toward Poets as long as you have the decency to be at least polite about it. Tell me, if you're so much in favor of constructive critique... how is "that song is from up their butt" constructive? Shouldn't you rather, according to your own principles, be a little more precise about what is actually wrong with the song in your opinion? Lyrics? Melody? Pace? Style? Something else?

warwick

I agree with you at the point that guys somehow wallow at self-copying. If Revolution Roulette brought new harder sounding, Twilight Theater returned it back. In my opinion, Poets of the Fall lack something really fresh, however it may be dangerous for the commercial success because of not everyone will actually perceive the new kind of music...

But your posts style shows that you are annoyed. "Shitty songs" isn’t only an offence, it’s a very unpleasant phrase, especially for the fans of the band and, of course, for the band itself. Be more tolerant, guy. If you don’t like some music, it doesn’t mean that nobody likes it too, and it gives you no right to call the songs "shitty". Thousands of fans all around the world may be angry on you.

Can you hear us?

Well, now I wonder if I should just not say my opinion so to not cause a scene

Can You Hear Me, for me, reminds some of the songs of Twilight Theater. It's not a bad song, quite PoTF-y indeed, but not something that suits me. There's something in the sound of it and most of the songs in TT that awake some anxiety in me and make me feel unsafe. I have yet to find a mood where those songs would fit so I don't really want to listen to them -I have enough anxiety as it is

Now, funnily enough "No End, No Beginning" -which has a lot heavier sound and is a little darker too IMO- is a lot more liberating and can make me both smile and cry. And it's all just because of the melody, the color of the vibrations the song awakens in me.

....(Not to mention the lovely gallopy rhythm in the chorus )

So, good for all of you and the POTF-boys that you like this sound, but it's just something that doesn't suit me.

I'll answer your question with another question

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CD2LRROpph0

Do you need a masters degree on music composition to know that the song above is a piece of shit?

Nope


I did, and I won't return it since I live far far away. Plus. this is not an ab-crunch machine you bought from teleshopping, but if I lived in Finland I most certainly would do that with my copy of RR.

Not in the same way as if they had made a video, much more exposition.

Disregard the words I used for a moment, some people in this very thread said it was "rushed", it's the same concept, plus, the members that said it are people who followed the from the very beginning too, so, if they said it looked rushed, it's because of something.

Oh it would be if they made them think in the following way "When should THINK before including a song like this in our new album or WAIT to see how people reacts before making a Video".


No, it shouldn't. Why should I describe something that sucks? It just sucks! Plus I explained why I think that way, the problem is not only the total lack of melody but the total lack of style.

And I should be concerned because...?

I disagree with Darkness_of_Heart regarding "CYHM being very TT". It's well executed but to me it sounds alien, like someone else's song covered by Poets.

Thank you Cat for the CYHM video in Tavastia! It's great to see them 6 on the scene and I love Jani's smile.

Don't we love them because they create music in unpredictable way? They do it, so it's their choice which song pick for a single, but that is just my opinion...



Forgive me, but it's just sound childish... 'Why it's bad? Because it is.'

This discussion is endless... And by the way: I neither like or dislike the video. I just miss Stobe.

I didn't mean anything like that. What I was trying to say is that CYHM has a different style of music than what I've heard from them before which baffles you at first listen. And I completely respect and understand if it's not the style some people are attracted to, if they prefer others.

And perhaps you are right when you say Roses would have made a great single, because I showed POTF songs to many people and their reactions were kind of neutral until Roses was played and then they said, "Oh, how amazing, whoah, this song is great!" and asked me many times later to play it again for them. But I also know people who especially like LUTS and remember the Poets because of that song. Many people will like CYHM as well, I'm sure. It is like the issue with art: whether it sucks or not, it totally depends on the viewer's opinion. And maybe I expressed myself a bit unhappily there in what you quoted. I don't like CYHM because I listened multiple times to it, but at first I was like "uh, this is really different" and later went to "I really like this new style". If you don't like this style, it's totally okay. If you think they could have improved it, sure. Not everything they do is always entirely perfect, I agree. And if this song was on a new album with many other amazing songs like NENB on them, you wouldn't have spent a second thought whether there are some songs on there you rather dislike.

What do you think of NENB then? Does this fit your preference of a song's style better? (:

And I would love to buy your RR copy, it's the only album I don't have yet (besides Alchemy No 1 which hasn't arrived yet) (;

Isn't CYHM about compassion and tolerance? Just saying...

No, we don't, so there is no "we". I love them because of the music they create, no because of it's unpredictability. Sure in the end it's their choice, they could make a cover of the Macarena and release it as a single too, but it wouldn't be a wise choice.

Do you actually pay attention when you read?
"Plus I explained why I think that way, the problem is not only the total lack of melody but the total lack of style."

Still, you feel like you have to "save" the song. Your argument is "it's not bad, it's just a different style".

I think it's great, glad they went back to the roots. It actually has a melody, a solo, good lyrics (not some "it's all about the money crap) ,and good guitar/keyboard harmonies.

No way, sending things through the mail to different countries is a pain in the A$5.

My only problem with Can You Hear Me is that the chorus is so dull compared to the rest of the song. The music video in the other hand looks very nice even though I can't say that I'd love it simply because I've never been fond of music videos that consist mainly of the band playing the song in some area. The video looks pretty. Tthe colour pallet is simple but the result is great and additionally the lightning has been done very well.

@warvick
Come on, dude. You're boring. You don't like it, fine, that's your problem. We don't stop like it also, if it's your point...

Save the song? In which relation?
And that are my words, yeah. Do you think they're wrong? You say they have a lack of style. Nothing has a lack of style! Just a different style, and if it doesn't please you, that's totally okay! There will be other songs like NENB! See, you like that one. So POTF is still an original band as you doubted them to be anymore.



That was just a joke of course From Uruguay to Germany would indeed be quite difficult. I hadn't expected you to take this serious ^^ And please don't take every single word as an excuse to curse around, if you would

Warvick,

I just want to tell you that I agree with every single word you said here. It's everything I'd have said myself, only more eloquent. Thank you.

it is not actually any pain. i sent many cds overseas with no problems whatsoever.

No problem I uploaded now the whole concert on my youtube channel, 15 videos ^^ It was soooo nice
http://www.youtube.com/chiriko87

Cat, you are fantastic!!! It's so kind of you to share the Tavastia concert. Grateful thanks

Nice job,Cat! it's very nice of you!