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Which means yes! Thanks for clearing up! Is it coming out on cd? In that "case" x) I don't want the digital song.

I'm guessing you can use Paypal without a credit card, no time to check that right now. Anyway, the song will be on CD, and the CD is called Alchemy Vol. 1. And strictly speaking music on a CD is just as digital as the downloadable song. :)

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Ow noees, this is bad! :( I only have money for one song.. :| Guess I'll go for the long album version :D

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Yeah, you can use paypal without a credit card, it might need some time for confirmation with your bank account on the initial registering though.

I'm gonna try out the Digistore with a CYHM purchase now! :mrgreen:

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DONE!
I bought my first POTF single on POTF digistore :mrgreen:
Extremely easy, without any problems and very cheap! :D (and who's writing is just a beginner in such stuff...)
Guys, Admin: you're just great! :wink:

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Lisa wrote:
Just made my first purchase off the Digistore (guess what? :P )

and it's so easy and smooth to use. Far better than iTunes (where the song also wouldn't have been avialable in such short time). Great job with it 8)


Yes, it works with lightning speed. I like to spend money quickly. :D

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GRRRRrrr... i have to wait till i get home from work... NOT NICE!~
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I LOVE the new single! The digistore is really well made too! :D


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I've just downloaded Can You Hear Me from the Digistore: everything went as smoothly as possible. Very well done! :)
And it let me download both the MP3 and FLAC formats (I'm just trying to listen and perceive what makes FLAC different from MP3...but it seems that I need something more than the PC loudspeakers to understand that!).
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Bought my first item off the Digistore some days ago, and it went really smooth. Good solution to keep everything as simple as possible. Had my files within seconds. :)

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Great, so nice to hear everything has worked smoothly! :) Lots of new stuff coming to Digistore in the not-so-distant future, stay tuned, as they say...

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And it let me download both the MP3 and FLAC formats (I'm just trying to listen and perceive what makes FLAC different from MP3...but it seems that I need


FLACs are compressed without loss of quality, mp3 are lower quallity. If you really want to hear the difference, extract the flac files to wav/aiff, burn them on a CD and listen on your stereo. :)

Digistore works really well by the way and while I was browsing I discovered some other new music too. :)
Can't wait for the new stuff! *staying tuned*

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FLACs are compressed without loss of quality, mp3 are lower quallity. If you really want to hear the difference, extract the flac files to wav/aiff, burn them on a CD and listen on your stereo. :)

If you _really_really_ want to hear the difference, invert the phase of the other, and mix the files together, making sure they are aligned perfectly down to sample accuracy. What remains is the actual difference between the files, which you can now listen to. :D [/nerd]

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FLACs are compressed without loss of quality, mp3 are lower quallity. If you really want to hear the difference, extract the flac files to wav/aiff, burn them on a CD and listen on your stereo. :)

If you _really_really_ want to hear the difference, invert the phase of the other, and mix the files together, making sure they are aligned perfectly down to sample accuracy. What remains is the actual difference between the files, which you can now listen to. :D [/nerd]


:D :D
From my days of trading bootlegs (not POTF) I recall programmes where you could make the wavelength visible and see the difference too. :P :wink:

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POTF_Admin wrote:
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FLACs are compressed without loss of quality, mp3 are lower quallity. If you really want to hear the difference, extract the flac files to wav/aiff, burn them on a CD and listen on your stereo. :)

If you _really_really_ want to hear the difference, invert the phase of the other, and mix the files together, making sure they are aligned perfectly down to sample accuracy. What remains is the actual difference between the files, which you can now listen to. :D [/nerd]


Same bit- and samplerate? Or how do you mean?

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Same bit- and samplerate? Or how do you mean?

I mean the files must start from the exact same position.

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Same bit- and samplerate? Or how do you mean?

I mean the files must start from the exact same position.


Ok sorry ,easy thinking was enough here, sorry :)

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FLACs are compressed without loss of quality, mp3 are lower quallity. If you really want to hear the difference, extract the flac files to wav/aiff, burn them on a CD and listen on your stereo. :)

If you _really_really_ want to hear the difference, invert the phase of the other, and mix the files together, making sure they are aligned perfectly down to sample accuracy. What remains is the actual difference between the files, which you can now listen to. :D [/nerd]

mp3 compression changes length of audio and makes it impossible to align and mix with inverted source signal. i know because i actually tried it. audible proof of that are compressed albums that originally are mixed without pauses between tracks, concert albums in particular: conversion from CD to mp3 then back to CD adds little click in transition, because tracks no longer have length multiple of 1/75th sec. this timescale inaccuracy is absent in other lossy encoders like AAC, WMA or OGG and thus makes possible this testing for what was filtered out.

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mp3 compression changes length of audio and makes it impossible to align and mix with inverted source signal. i know because i actually tried it. audible proof of that are compressed albums that originally are mixed without pauses between tracks, concert albums in particular: conversion from CD to mp3 then back to CD adds little click in transition, because tracks no longer have length multiple of 1/75th sec. this timescale inaccuracy is absent in other lossy encoders like AAC, WMA or OGG and thus makes possible this testing for what was filtered out.

Timing inside a single MP3 file does not change, so it's perfectly possible to do a valid comparison, as long as you carefully align each song separately. I have seen claims that some encoders might change the timing inside a single file, but so far I haven't seen any hard proof. I just recently tested this with 3 different encoders and various bitrates, and all MP3's stayed in perfect sample accurate sync with the original, even when the file was nearly an hour in length. Of course it's possible there are encoders that mess something up the encoding process, but that just means they are doing something wrong.

I just downloaded a song from the Digistore, and did a phase inversion test between the original WAV and the FLAC & MP3 versions. Of course it took some fine-tuning to get them perfectly aligned, but once that was done, WAV & FLAC cancelled each other perfectly as expected, and the MP3 only left some digital garbage that was barely recognizable.

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I just recently tested this with 3 different encoders and various bitrates, and all MP3's stayed in perfect sample accurate sync with the original, even when the file was nearly an hour in length.
you have some strange hobbies Admin :| :D

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If you _really_really_ want to hear the difference, invert the phase of the other, and mix the files together, making sure they are aligned perfectly down to sample accuracy. What remains is the actual difference between the files, which you can now listen to. :D [/nerd]
thank you, I'd never thought about doing it: tried it with CYHM and it worked... that's cool! :o

maybe it's me who has weird hobbies ^^

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Shame on me :) anyway, if one is curious what compressed files filter out, it's much easier to do comparison on WMA or OGG instead of MP3 (no tricky offset-hunting needed)

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HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY *does the happy dance*

just downloaded all the CDs in FLAC - unbelievable how fast it was!
...and how awesome the sound is.. :)

...is it a bad thing if you hoard the tunes in every format available? :oops:

love the new store :lol:

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I just recently tested this with 3 different encoders and various bitrates, and all MP3's stayed in perfect sample accurate sync with the original, even when the file was nearly an hour in length.

you have some strange hobbies Admin :| :D

Anyone up for a "Audio fun with Admin-san" webcast? :D

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So ironic, I used to be so tech challenged but have had so many "opportunities" in the last few months to learn more than I have in 5 years.

I too have converted many audio files from MP3 to MP4 to CD and from MP4 to MP3 to CD...........now I have never worked with FLAC of course, since I have never had to, but all these conversions are interesting.

I really listen to songs I play carefully and I have never noticed the difference in any of the conversions I have made whether it be from MP3 to MP4 and to CD and also of course MP4 to CD. The MP3 converter I use when I download music from Amazon is theirs and it is set up to sync into iTunes automatically. I don't hear a difference. And now that I have the FLAC version of Can You Hear Me, I have synced it with iTunes and I hear no difference. Now, no matter how hard I listen there are many more people who have had much more experience and a better trained ear to hear the differences, but it's fun to play with; so fun in fact I downloaded AVS Audio Converter 6.3, and really, I didn't know there were so many audio formats! Now it gets more interesting so I will play around with that! And there's a video converter to play with which is awesome, considering I have a new NOOK. Interesting thing on this converter........you can sync any song to iPhone; but then you can do that with iTunes as well :wink: .

No one mentioned video and what kind of quality is lost when converting from dvd digital format into iTunes, but I have done it rather successfully with Handbrake and gotten some good results with RealPlayer, although I see the difference with RealPlayer. The best of course is when I have purchased a dvd with a digital format that loads, one time only of course :wink: , into my iTunes library and of course it's of true digital quality.

Now of course I will say I don't operate a Mac system with Snow Leopard, which would be the best way to run iTunes, but I have my trusted PC; Problem is I have worked so much on the Mac in the last few months I know more about it than my PC! :shock:

Now to play with FLAC! Awesome fun these tech thingys are!

Maybe one day I will have to get myself a Mac Air or something cool :wink:

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That's 21st Century technology... I'm amazed 8)

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no matter how you experiment with audio conversion, remember to always keep your original files, even if you say that you don't hear difference. the difference will be notable if you listen closely to some instrument, guitar for example: when you play original CD all guitar parts throughout will be (should be) equally heard, in loud and quiet passages. when compressed to mp3 (and further compressed to anything else) you will easily tell the loss of definition - the key is to try to make out and follow individual instruments within the mix.
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Any chance to have all POTF gigs intros in digistore "Specials"?... :)

Uh.. oh! And also funny POTF moments/mistakes/gaffes "behind the scenes" about... whatever, gigs, interviews, videos, studio... :mrgreen:

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Any chance to have all POTF gigs intros in digistore "Specials"?... :)

Yep, that's one of the things planned! It will take a while since the guys are currently very busy with the upcoming gigs and other stuff, but good things come to those who wait...

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Any chance to have all POTF gigs intros in digistore "Specials"?... :)

Yep, that's one of the things planned! It will take a while since the guys are currently very busy with the upcoming gigs and other stuff, but good things come to those who wait...


Oh and I'm more than glad to wait for all those POTF good things, for all time they need to come... (hope that doesn't sound like a double meaning phrase, I just mean the "good things"...) Thanks :)

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I am in Switzerland these weeks and I went to some shops in Geneva and looked for Twilight Theatre and they didn't had it. :( Anyway, I guess I'll go all the way to Digistore, is actually cheaper and I do keep my IPhone with me, not my CD player...
Any chance for "The Poet and The Muse" or "The Beautiful Ones" in Digistore?....

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