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Hey,
I have a question.
When will there be a European Ture?
When I see the ture dates all I see is Russian and Finn tures.


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More tures will be listed soon!

(don't quote me on that)


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Yes thanks for stating the obvious fact that Finland is not part of Europe.


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Vilma wrote:
Yes thanks for stating the obvious fact that Finland is not part of Europe.


No no, you got that all wrong! The UK is not part of Europe :|
(at least that's what my English friends claim)

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Id really like u guys to come in Netherlands! Airplane tickets to Finland are damn expensive :(


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Romania's a shitty country, but we love you too guys.
I think we deserve a little sumthin sumthin :D

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I think we need complete rewrite of the History/Geography books (and grammar)...

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Romania's a shitty country, but we love you too guys.
I think we deserve a little sumthin sumthin :D

Im romanian too but im living in NL. From Cluj it was much easier to fly via Budapest :P


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polaris wrote:
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Romania's a shitty country, but we love you too guys.
I think we deserve a little sumthin sumthin :D

Im romanian too but im living in NL. From Cluj it was much easier to fly via Budapest :P


dont' say that in public :D
i'll just have to wait for them here.i'm just a broke student :D :D

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spectACULAR wrote:
polaris wrote:
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Romania's a shitty country, but we love you too guys.
I think we deserve a little sumthin sumthin :D

Im romanian too but im living in NL. From Cluj it was much easier to fly via Budapest :P


dont' say that in public :D
i'll just have to wait for them here.i'm just a broke student :D :D

well then...lets hope they will visit Ro soon ^^ then ill have a strong reason to pay a visit to my folks :D
btw : i am not ashamed of being Romanian :P and u also shouldn't be !


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i'm just joking :P
but the things is that bands i LOVE rarely come to our country.
take Sonisphere for example.when the show'll arrive in Romania lots of bands that originally were on the poster will be vanished in thin air (BMTH,Papa Roach,Fightstar etc) :(

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It would be amazing if they decided to come to England. I would travel anywhere across the country just to see them.

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spectACULAR wrote:
i'm just joking :P
but the things is that bands i LOVE rarely come to our country.
take Sonisphere for example.when the show'll arrive in Romania lots of bands that originally were on the poster will be vanished in thin air (BMTH,Papa Roach,Fightstar etc) :(

do not forget all the great bands who came in Romania past 2 years :) Queensryche for example where there 2 times already so don't worry about Sonisphere :)


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ITALY ITALY ITALY ITALY ITALY ITALY ITALY ITALY ITALY!!!! :oops:

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it'd be super-mega-fantastically great if you came to Italy (and while we're asking for the impossible, I may even suggest Florence :lol: )... do it please!!!! we can't wait to see you!!! :oops:

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This thread became meaningless :P but I'll ask this anyway: are there any chances that something will change in the european tour "policy" (I can't find a better word at the moment) of the band? I mean: someone asks for Italy, someone else for Romania, Poland and whatever, but the same thing happened for the last 2-3 tours. I know it's been discussed many times but, Admin, you know the band better than anyone else, do you think we can expect any surprise in the next months tour dates?

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Yes, Italy, yes!! That's close enough :oops:


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This thread became meaningless :P but I'll ask this anyway: are there any chances that something will change in the european tour "policy" (I can't find a better word at the moment) of the band? I mean: someone asks for Italy, someone else for Romania, Poland and whatever, but the same thing happened for the last 2-3 tours. I know it's been discussed many times but, Admin, you know the band better than anyone else, do you think we can expect any surprise in the next months tour dates?

OK, I'll do my best to explain this once more. :)

The three reasons for the band doing a gig in country X but not country Y (for the time being, at least) are, in this order: 1. Money 2. Money 3. Money.

All right, that was an old and stupid joke, but it should make the point clear. :D

An independent band like POTF gets their income from mainly two sources: record sales and gigs. In these times, when more and more people simply get the music they listen to for free, there aren't that many sources of income left for bands. Some people even claim that illegal downloading is good for the band - that way they get more exposure, which means more gigs, and that's where the real money is (they say).

In any case, the bottom line is that when the band tours, they need to get some money from it. Otherwise it's pretty much pointless. Of course _some_ gigs (with maybe a huge promotional value) might be worth doing for "free", or even if the band ends up paying for it from their own pockets - but in the long run, you can see why that just doesn't work.

(I emphasize that we are not talking about "money to get rich" here. These guys do music for a living. That's all they got, and like everyone else, they need _some_ money to eat, pay the rent, and so on. They need to get their basic salary from the music they make, it's as simple as that.)

Now, every gig is a different one, and there are countless ways a gig can be arranged. The band might get a fixed sum, or a percentage from ticket sales. The organizer might pay all the expenses, or just the accommodation and not travel. The gig might be a support gig for another band, part of a festival, or a headliner gig for the band itself. Whatever the details, one fact doesn't change. There must be enough people that buy a ticket, or the gig will not happen. I don't know what would be the minimum amount of people needed to make a gig profitable, but I guess in most European countries outside Finland, it would be closer to a thousand people.

The old saying "there's no such thing as a free lunch" works here too. When the band + crew + all their equipment travel to a different country, it costs a lot of money. That money just has to come from somewhere, which in this case is ticket sales.

Unless the band already has a lot of media exposure, radio play, album sales etc. in a given country, getting a thousand fans in a single place to watch them is really difficult. So the order is (unfortunately) - first conquer the media, get enough fans, and then you can start planning a gig. This has already started happening for example in Russia, which is why the band is able to play in venues that hold a few thousand people.

The band is very aware that there are already lots of people in several countries that would like to see them live. I know "policy" probably wasn't the word you were looking for, but in any case, I can assure that they don't have any special policies in this matter. They would pack their instruments and fly to Italy (or pretty much any country) right now if that was economically possible.

So when will they come to Italy (or any other country?) No-one knows at the moment, but everyone is doing their best to make it happen. To keep things from falling apart, the band must usually concentrate on a couple of countries at a time. They usually hire promoters in those countries, which in turn try to get their music into radios, and arrange interviews and other media appearances. Like you can see from the latest Twitter announcement, that has already worked pretty well in Sweden. Once the big ball starts rolling, so to speak, then things like arranging a gig become much easier.

Of course you never know when some surprises will happen (that's why they are called surprises... :)). Maybe an eccentric millionaire who really likes POTF suddenly decides to pay all the expenses and arrange a public gig in his mansion. Maybe a DJ on a national radio channel somewhere suddenly starts playing POTF's latest single, and soon there are tens of thousands of people waiting to see their gig. Something like that might always come out of the blue. But I guess you can't count on that, and you must be prepared to take the long and winding road. :)

Like I always say at this point: you can do your part to help the band! Spread the word, use their banners in your blog and signatures in various forums, and so on. This is only the beginning! (Or some other uplifting & cliched adage! :D)

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Maybe a DJ on a national radio channel somewhere suddenly starts playing POTF's latest single


Is local radio also ok for you? :P

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Thanks a lot Admin. You are right "policy" wasn't definitely the right word. I know the passion and the hard work that the band and their crew put on their job.

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Of course you never know when some surprises will happen (that's why they are called surprises... ).


Ok, that was my point (speaking a better English would help me, sorry :D ). The real question was: can we at least hope for a surprise? And I don't mean just Italy, but for example some huge european summer festivals (like in Germany, France or Spain) where thousands of people pay expensive tickets to listen lousy bands :D

A more "rude" version of the question could be: are POTF making more moneys than the past years? :P I really hope so because they deserve it.

Personally I'm doing what I can to spread the word, and I didn't want to be annoying (sorry if I was); it's just that I'd really like to see them live and at the moment I definitely can't efford a trip to Finland. But I'm sure that some day things will change

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Half Light wrote:
Is local radio also ok for you? :P
by the explained logic, it's ok if for some reason the radio is listened at some point by some thousands people (like: 500 school trips are going on in the town in that moment. Or a strange geomagnetic storm causes the electromagnetic field to change so that the radio is heard all over the nation for a while)

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Maybe an eccentric millionaire who really likes POTF suddenly decides to pay all the expenses and arrange a public gig in his mansion.
lol, this made me laugh cause last week me and some friends were on the classical "what would you do if you won the lottery" kind of silly talking, and I said I'd ask Poets Of The Fall to come and play in my town.. glad to know they would maybe accept XDDD

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I know there are things that really don't depend on them; thank you for the long and clear explanation :)

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It is a good point actually. I really want them to come to England but there wouldn't be anywhere near enough fans. I better get promoting :)

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I want they in Italy too. I hope.

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pay expensive tickets to listen lousy bands :D

You're one to talk considering you're an Oasis fan :P

Firefly
: you're spot on there, UK is way behind and always will be on the list of possible countries to host a PotF gig as the music people play and like over here is just well, appalling. If I was to guess where the next new countries to tour in are in Eastern or Southern Europe. Then again I'm quite crap at guessing LOL :D


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Germany could be a good compromise

Vilma wrote:
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pay expensive tickets to listen lousy bands :D

You're one to talk considering you're an Oasis fan :P
:D

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Aww :D *hugs* But, you know, opinions are like a-holes, everyone's got one and I just happen to loathe Oasis :>


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POTF_Admin wrote:
...Maybe an eccentric millionaire who really likes POTF suddenly decides to pay all the expenses and arrange a public gig in his mansion...


Can you really do that? :roll: I mean, would they agree to that? :roll:

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I REALLY hope they'll come to Denmark again! I've only known about POTF for a short time now, so I didn't get to see them the 2 times they've been here already. Come back, POTF! :)


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POTF_Admin wrote:
Like you can see from the latest Twitter announcement, that has already worked pretty well in Sweden. Once the big ball starts rolling, so to speak, then things like arranging a gig become much easier.


So, Swedish gig this season? :oops: :roll:


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And I want they in UKRAINE too. PLEASE! :oops:


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