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Oh... the Poets... they can be a great reason to buy a console :lol: But I'd rather pay THEM these 200 euros than for a plastic box I don't really need and won't need in future.

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There is a workaround, but only for totally non-gamers. Youtube is a great source of information, and many people upload their game sessions online. Yeah, it's a bit boring to watch somebody else playing, especially if you are gamer yourself (gives you that feeling of itchy fingers, you know), but if you lack of game skills and since AW is more like sitcom in a game variant, you could enjoy the story without having to play the game or even buy it!
Some time ago I watched that way a game I always wanted to finish, but sucked so bad so I was unable to do it (ancient Nintendo game, very funny to watch when you are an adult). Right now I'm watching somebody's efforts to complete Nethack (just 150 videos, 10 minutes each, no big deal :P)

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I don't want to join this whole MS issue because I am a proud owner of an X360, bought it long ago when GTA4 was released and by that time I also had AW on my mind. I personally enjoy gaming with my console, I was always tired of installing computer games for hours, checking for hardware requirements and all that bla bla, which of course is another thing but was the importance in my case to become a consoler. I am also tired of all that whining about exclusive stuff. Just like Admin said, it's really no big deal to buy an X360 nowadays even if it's only for two or three games. I know AW will become a massive blockbuster in video game history and hopefully the fact that MS is in charge of this whole project will give our boys another push into the right direction.

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It's still a lot of gamers (as well as paying customers) that M$ is leaving out on.
Not to mention potential potf-fans from the pc-gaming community.

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Of course everyone is free to do whatever they wish, and I'm also a little biased, but that probably has more to do with the fact that I already own the box. I just don't understand why this seems to be such a larger-than-life issue, like a big political or religious question, or buying a new apartment.

Why isn't it "ah, AW is coming only to XBox, well I guess I'll just get the box then", or "arh, at the moment I don't have the money to get an XBox, that's a shame, AW would have been nice, maybe later", but instead it's more like "I will NEVER get an XBox, that will show those greedy bastards at MS who only want to sell more stuff, they will go down in flames, muhahahahaha...."

Based on my experience with the box, it's a gaming console that you can play games with. You insert a game, it starts, you play it, often even enjoy it. I don't think I have sold my soul to anyone by doing that, or promoted any heinous political agenda. I'm just playing games, sometimes with PC, sometimes with PS or Wii or PSP, sometimes with XBox. That can't be wrong, can it....? :(

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"I will NEVER get an XBox, that will show those greedy bastards at MS who only want to sell more stuff, they will go down in flames, muhahahahaha...."

My thoughts exactly...

The reason so many people are angry is not only this particular case. OK, I don't have XBox and I'll buy one just to play Alan Wake. No problem. Oh, GTA 5 is coming to Nintendo DS... Oookay, I think I could afford that too, no problem. Yay, Modern Warfare 3 is coming to PS3! What I am, a cow? Buying new console every time a game pops out is not my taste. Would you like to have to buy separate cars for going to work, going to shop, going to anywhere? Not to mention that game controllers are very different one from another and you have to change your habits for every game. This is not just a single case with this game. Many people here have different consoles after all.

Now the next crap: "It's much easy to concentrate on a building a game for a single console". Considering the fact Remedy was working 3 years for a PC platform, and then having to completely rewrite it for a different platform is anything but "easy". Even if it is, then it would be just that easy to rewrite it again for PC. I don't blame Remedy, I'm sure they were "happy" to trow away everything and start over. It's better for the gamers to have late released game with morally old engine just to satisfy Microsoft. We all lose. But Remedy can't complain, they don't wanna loose their jobs. Thanks, MS!

Third: At programmers' point of view, this war is disastrous! To spend big part of your life just to learn how to build something for one console, to get a job doing that, and one day they fire you just because they are shrinking programming teams. And programmers are out of job and if they want to work what they like, they must relearn programming for a different console just to get a job. That is waste of talent! Instead of improving, you have to start over. This is not the way of progress, this is to skid at one place.

And not to say I'm just flaming, I'll say it would be cheaper for you to get a XBox, than to upgrade your PC for a PC version of Alan Wake (upgrade would cost much more).

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Based that a lot of MP2/AW fans were/are PC gamers.

The average consumer cannot afford to go "oh I'll just go buy a games console" and blow 170 euros plus game as you would like to believe. Forget about the playing experience. Up until now I have not desired a 360 and I'm sure others feel the same way. It would be nice to own a 360 but I just can't justify paying for one. It's not about being stubborn and refusing to buy, at least for me.

All I hope is Microsoft take note, but hey, that's all down to us fans/consumers.

@Arvigeus,
It is cheaper to buy an xbox than a new pc, a hell of a lot, but I want a system that plays more than just games. People on a budget have to rationalise and think what's best in the long run. Consoles will cost you a lot more in the future through the purchase of all those games anyway.


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You could browse the internet too, but I doubt it will be "The best internet experience I ever had!". The best thing about consoles is that they are hard to play pirate games. That's all!

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Taking the top searches from Google with keywords: Alan Wake PC, All I've found is nothing but criticism for AW on 360 and you don't have to look far why.

Take a look at all those users comments..

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2010/02/12/alan-wake-pc-officially-cancelled/1
http://www.shacknews.com/laryn.x?story=62356
http://www.edge-online.com/news/alan-wake-pc-cancelled
http://www.joystiq.com/2010/02/12/report-microsoft-says-alan-wake-skipping-pc-release/
http://uk.pc.gamespy.com/pc/remedy-project-next-gen-title/1068894p1.html
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/alan-wake-officially-binned-on-pc
http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/49045/Alan-Wake-PC-Definitely-Dead

Looks like the PC gaming world is slaying MS for this lame excuse as a reason.


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I will buy an xbox for this game when I have the money, probably around the time it comes out, 21st of May, 1 day after my B-day :D

Atleast it won't be so expensive as buying a new pc to run this game :)

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@Arvigeus:
It is relatively simple for developers to make the game running on 360, even if it's been written for PC from scratch. I remember this from an interview regarding Postal 3 surprisingly being developed for both PC and 360.
Don't take this AW case too seriously, though - GTAIV DLC also used to be 360 'exclusive' - surprise, it's coming for PS3 and PC at the end of March. I think we'll just have to wait until the developers' exclusivity contract with MS expires.

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Whatever happens, I'm sure Remedy will make good game. Back on topic:
Remedy doesn't know how Alan Wake will end
This sounds like really Alan Wake won't be just a game, but more like a real TV series with "To be continued...", "Previously on Alan Wake" and so on. I hope POTF will stay connected in the future :)

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It's not like there are any plans for more AW games to come. It's meant to simulate a real TV series but within that one game, in one second the story leaves you in limbo and a little later you go on with the game. Maybe they don't know yet how the game will actually end and have written several different endings but I think they whole game will have a beginning and an end. But what the hell do I know! We will see... :)

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Maybe the game itself will be one big "season premiere" and rest of the episodes will be DLC. But it will be really hard for Remedy to sustain the interest, because the game would end up doing same things every episode just to see what will happen at the end. May is not that far...

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Arvigeus wrote:
May is not that far...

May the Force be with you.

I so couldn't resist, sorry! :(

Nah, I don't think the game itself will be like a pilot and all the other episodes will be DLC. That would be really stupid and no one will pay 60 bucks for the game and another 30 for each and every episode. There might be some DLC just like for GTA4, maybe another background story or explanation for things that happened to AW in the past or will happen in the future. I just can't wait to explore Bright Falls and all its secrets...

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Here is some info about it: http://www.joystiq.com/2010/02/15/interview-remedys-matias-myllyrinne-on-alan-wake/

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No way I would buy an XBox, everyone that I know owns one or had experience with it says it keeps malfunctioning and it's the worst console in the market.

We'll see about their No game for PC policy when their sales figures come tumbling down. :|

I have one, it broke once and it was replaced by MS within 2 weeks..This one is a new gen and hasn't mallfunctioned

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The problem isn't that we hate the Xbox 360 (although I do, bloody Xbox Live!), but it's the fact that this game has been in development for the PC for 6 YEARS! Do Microsoft really think that they can take a game people have been waiting for on PC since BEFORE THE XBOX 360 WAS EVEN ANNOUNCED and make it a 360 exclusive at the last minute without pissing off a massive amount of people? It's pretty bloody ridiculous.

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Alev wrote:
No way I would buy an XBox, everyone that I know owns one or had experience with it says it keeps malfunctioning and it's the worst console in the market.

We'll see about their No game for PC policy when their sales figures come tumbling down. :|

I have one, it broke once and it was replaced by MS within 2 weeks..This one is a new gen and hasn't mallfunctioned


I've had one too from almost since the console came out, and I haven't had any problems. :)

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First of all: if you buy an Xbox360 now, you can be very sure that the hardware-issues have been fixed. Even if malfunction accours, you can send it to Microsoft and have it fixed for free.

About the game not coming to PC anymore: Don't you know that it costs multiple millions of dollars to develop a AAA-game for PS3, PC or 360 ? The amount of money required for developing a AAA-console game nearly double with every console-generation (PS2--->PS3)

Except games like "World of Warcraft" or "The Sims" nothing sells truly well on PC. Call of Duty Modern Warfare 2 (THE blockbuster of blockbusters) sold like half a million copies for PC, 3 million for PS3 and 4 million for 360. Not only do PC-versions generate way less money than their console-counterparts, they also are way more time- and money-consuming to develop, because of all the different hardware- and driver-configurations.

Remedy Entertainment is a very small developer, employing only a small number of people. They don't have the resources to develop the game for PC alongside the 360 version.

I also think it's quite funny that most of those unwilling to buy a 360 plus the game for 250 bucks probably don't mind spending 250 bucks upgrading their PC-hardware.

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Guys, chill out!
Did you really - and by really I mean REALLY - think the PC version was still coming?

There hasn't been a word about a possible PC version for months, years even.

And as Admin said:
Just get a 360, it's damn cheap these days!
It's more comfortable to play, anyway.

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250E = Mouthy paycheck in my country :shock:
Anyway, today I watched some police chase gameplay, insanely realistic!
"You said a man with a flashlight killed your men?" :lol: :lol:

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nuhr, what you said is probably correct in the industry, however the kicker is that it was already in development for years for the PC. From the beginning, Remedy/MS boasted about it being the first game to fully utilise quad core chips.

The only logical reason behind this decision is about selling more xbox consoles and that's why people are kicking up a fuss, firstly insulting our intelligence with that "better experience" BS and secondly disheartening all of those who have been waiting 5 years for the game.


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Third: At programmers' point of view, this war is disastrous! To spend big part of your life just to learn how to build something for one console, to get a job doing that, and one day they fire you just because they are shrinking programming teams. And programmers are out of job and if they want to work what they like, they must relearn programming for a different console just to get a job. That is waste of talent! Instead of improving, you have to start over. This is not the way of progress, this is to skid at one place.


As a programmer you don't spend a large amount of your life learning how to program for one console. Once you know how to write software you know how to write software. There are technical differences and different aspects of different hardware but applying your experience to working on new platforms is part of a programmers work. Programmers don't look at new hardware, software or programming languages and say oh carp now I have to learn something new :(. In fact for many if not a majority it's the opposite.

You also wouldn't have much problem getting a job working on PS3 games if you have done Xbox games before. Obviously some who has PS3 or cell experience might have an edge when it comes to who will get a job. It's probably not going to be the deciding factor unless both of them have otherwise similar experience though. The obvious exception being if the job posting is for a PS3 expert.

And for a whole game the cost of the programmers learning new hardware drowns in all the other costs. For the artists the only thing that really changes is the asset budgets and in some cases part of the tool chain. The tolls may very well be the same if a multi platform engine is used or if the programmers rewrite the tools to target the new hardware.

And for the record I am very disappointed I won't be able to play this game on the PC. Might get an XBox360 but this is more or less the only game I want for it (Already have a high end PC and a PS3).


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Danny wrote:
The only logical reason behind this decision is about selling more xbox consoles and that's why people are kicking up a fuss, firstly insulting our intelligence with that "better experience" BS and secondly disheartening all of those who have been waiting 5 years for the game.


You don't know how marketing works, do you ? Of course they can't say "The pc-version wouldn't generate enough money, so it has been axed." even though that's exactly what they think. They must do it in a polite way.

How does having already waited five years prevent you from buying a 360 and enjoying the game ? shouldn't you be willing to buy one so you did not spend five years anticipating in vain ?

Please don't take it personal, but people like you are a fine example for the arrogance of most gamers who want everything fed with a silver spoon. People who on the one hand fail to see that video-games are a business as any other and on the other hand are amazed and happy when reading that video-games have become a bigger industry than movies.

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I don't know what my and others decision against buying an XBox for that game has to do with arrogance and being fed with a silver spoon.

Danny is IMHO right with what he wrote, but that is just our opinion. Live with it, and don't start insulting us over this.

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The most negativism comes from the fact most of us do realize that this game is going to be great and most of us won't be able to play it (it's all about the money, it's all about the money...)

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It is a damn shame that there won't be a PC version. That said, I am definitely going to buy the AW with my boyfriend nevertheless =)

Ever since a was a kid in the 1980's, I have played computer games. And since I first set my eyes on PC, I have been a PC-girl. But since my "new" boyfriend (we have been together 2 and a half years) bought an X-Box 360 about a year and a half ago, I fell in love with the console. We play a lot together and also separately and I just love the fact that there are so many good co-ops available.

I also like the achievements, it is not just growing your digital something-that-I-don't-have but they really do encourage me to explore and try new things. I have a habit of playing the games certain way but because of the achievements I have found new ways to do things.

After that long-winded story I just wanted to say that I await Alan Wake impatiently and I hope there will be some interesting and fun achievements that might even refer to Poets of the Fall =)

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Remember they said the episodes for gta 4 wouldnt be released for the ps3..and geuss what it is coming to the ps3..Just be patient, i'm sure it will come :wink:

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@XtraT

Sorry to burst your bubble, but that's a different case. GTA IV and the Episodes From LC have been developed and published by Rockstar Games. The reason the content arrives later on PC and PS3 is becauce Microsoft bought timed exclusivity for their console 360 so more people would buy one.

Alan Wake is published by Microsoft which means that it definately will not come to PS3 (it might still get a pc-release later on). It's the same with Heavy Rain for PS3, which is developed by an independent developer, but published by Sony, which means it will not see a 360- or pc-release.

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