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Well people...i always wanted deep down to create this topic but never did until now...maybe because these days all that silence from my friends ,people in forum, etc etc depresses me more than usually does...
What do you have to say about all those people that doesnt repsond and i dont mean about phone calls ,or in relationships ..yes of course and in those cases but i am talking also about more simple momments, like you see that your friends from msn are online and you are talking to them,trying to be nice and friendly and simply them do not talking back....sometimes even turn on the offline status mode ...for me the offline status mode is something that discust me...u want not to talk or to be left alone....simply DO NOT ENTER MSN ,OR FORUMS OR CHATS, what is this?? you are offline and you are selective to who you are going to talk..well simply also do not have so many friends so to not talking to them wont be a problem if you dont have so many am i right?
What happened to the world....ok ok i understand some economic crisis ,other facts made us locked up in our homes in front of a pc screen..not talking to one another in the real outside world..but not talking to one another to the digital world??? our we so rude after all ? are we looking noone but ourselves so much that we cant simply say i good morning,or have a nice lunch or have a nice week or something?
What is happening to us ,to our kindness as humans beings?? it is so rude to say hello to your friends online? am i weirdo or something to demand from my friend or simply ask to be polite ,simply to say hi ...
Are you angry about this too? do you have any similar cases of everyday life too that want to talk about ?
Really doesnt hurt to talk to someone for a long time or to a group of different people,friends for a long time and simply one day ,that someone ,or friends dont talk to you back ,or want to simply dont talk for a couple of days? doesnt hurt if you are there for them even in an online form ,to stood by them online speaking and one day noone is there for you or worse case scenario there are there but not for you cause they choose for you to be seen as offline ...
What is happening to the world...to ourselves,to our humanity and kindness??...

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Black wrote:
...i am talking also about more simple momments, like you see that your friends from msn are online and you are talking to them,trying to be nice and friendly and simply them do not talking back....sometimes even turn on the offline status mode...


As a person who uses the appear offline/invisible status in almost any messenger possible, I have to say that sometimes it simply gets too much and you need your privacy.
Imagine this, you appear online/away/do not disturb/any other status, different than offline, and people start writing to you, some of them start writing bullshit and some important stuff. There are a few, then a few more, and a few more and in the end you have like 10 conversations started and you can't manage to respond to all of them. (Try having 10 conversations at once in real life...) So what do you do in this case? You either lie and tell them you have to go to bed/shopping/take a shower/eat and don't come back or you simply don't respond.
It's not polite to do so, but see all points of view before trying to judge someone. ;) If it happens once or twice it's because of this, I'm sure. If it happens all the time, then I'm sorry to say, but that person's not worth the effort to talk to.

And I don't even want to go to the 'I've been there for him/her, he/she is not there for me' thing. Happened to all of us at some point.

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sometimes you have to understand that people aren't always in the best of moods to talk back, even when they appear online in MSN. before starting a convo with your friends, ask them if they can talk; don't just be sad/annoyed that they don't reply fast, try and understand their silence. it doesn't mean they're not there for you or they hate you or whatever, they just want their privacy, without always putting the away sign.


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I, for example use IM quite often. Although I don't use offline/invisible status, I understand it. Sometimes I just need to be online and have some privacy from the others, but you need to be in touch with someone -> the most simple example is doing something to work/school and you need to cooperate with your "work-mate".

I just consider it being a "Do Not Disturb - level 2".

Black, try not to worry about it. Many times it's just a communication error - in instant messaging everything depends on emoticons and smileys. In a real life you can easily understand a joke, but in instant messaging it's much harder - you don't see other people faces and it's just impossible to "socially interact" with them somehow.

Remember - instant messaging is an "emergency", it should never be considered as a replacement of a real "social interaction". I've taken it seriously in the past, but now I know I should have not. Don't take it seriously, it will be ok :wink:


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Why so serious? (c) :)
As for me personally... my ICQ is always on if my PC is on. But it doesn't mean that I'm available for chatting or I wish to. Cos there's always a lot of things to do and sometimes I just cannot waste my time. And it doesn't concern my kindness. I'll always respond just to say hi or chat if I can. Should I shut down the program when I'm busy? I guess not. Of course you may hate feeling that someone ignores you but is it so? Some friend of mine always feels offended cos she likes to chat a lot and about nothing. And when it takes time to answer she always writes: "Are you there? Where are you? What have I done? Are you ignoring me???" So I usually have to explain why I was off for awhile. She has no other hobbies so chats and chats and chats on... And she's my best friend against of all ^_^ That's the way life goes on... However I like to meet with my friends... I mean face to face. Not in chats or forums or something like that...
I beg your pardon if it made you upset to learn of my opinion.

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you missed some of you the point of what i said...yes i understand that privacy thing..but for me its just bull..you want your privacy..you want to relax you dont want to talk to anyone..simply DONT ENTER MSN..to be online and not talk to online its just plain crap ...i mean..whats that privacy thing guys and girls?? what?? its just bull...you want your privacy dont have an msn,dont go online,dont live in cities go live at the mountains...jesus...all that its just crap..i can understand that you dont want to talk to someone..or as you said to 10 people...well i have news for you..dont have 100 people or more to your msn dude..or be nice and polite..tell to them that you know i am not feeling ok today i dont want to talk to anyone except my girlfriend or something...if they dont understand its not your fault...they are the stupids..but if they do??where did the politeness go eh? its too hard to say to someone i dont want to talk?? you ll have to use the online offline thing are you serious??this is just plain fraud ..you use the others as you want and as you like..when you are in need of talking you go online when you want your what?? privacy ??? you go offline ?? simply bullshit ...simply selfish idiotic behavior..and as for what you said also..yes i have made and to be frank with you i have made lots and lots of times conversation with more than 10 people at the same time both online and in real life..if the people are familiar with the polite ways and can make a nice conversation everything happens..the rest are simply excuses or simply bad judge of a person to make a conversation...

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and lanavdv you are right i am 100 percent with you ..i agree with you...when you have some bussiness or anything else to do you keep on being online and after simply explain to the people that cared about you..to talk to you what has happened..its rude not talk to someone that cared to talk to you in the first place..

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Maybe the people are not loosing their kindness. Maybe the people are sick of guys who make a big mess out of things like this and they just don't want to talk to them.

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Black, you're missing the point completely! There can be several reasons one wouldn't want to have a billion conversations on msn, for example they feel down, they watch tv while being online, play an online game or doing something else that requires time (for instance, I often play my guitar while being online, and that's pretty much impossible if you have 3+ convos going, so I might use the "busy" or "away" sign on).
People can have their reasons for not replying or having the offline sign on, and you just need to respect that.
If you need to talk to people so badly, then call them on their cell phone, but I am pretty sure you'll soon realise that people get annoyed if someone phones them every other day, and suddenly they might just stop answering the phone - pretty much the same as on msn.
Well, in your world that would just mean they should throw out their phone if they want their privacy:
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you want your privacy dont have an msn,dont go online,dont live in cities go live at the mountains..

Best line ever, but I am afraid it is simply not the way the world spins.
Cut people some slack, I am sure you're simply overreacting on this matter - they have their reasons, and quite frankly, it's not really any of your business what their reasons are.
Besides, I think it is WAY more polite to change your status than to say "I don't wish to chat with you". That's nowhere near polite in my opinion.

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Black, you're being a bit aggressive. People are not being impolite or unkind if you write something in MSN and they don't reply back. They have their reasons, don't jump at conclusions so quickly.

Erik and Vlad, I agree with you.


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you miss the point completely..this post is for those who have similar lets say experiences..and yes this post by itself acts like a scream to all those little big issues of that kind of everyday life..so back off all of you and i want some serious replies ..i am not phoning someone everyday i am not the type of man who talks first if you know what i mean..so simply dont reply to this post if you dont understand the true nature of this post and its use

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I fully understand "the true nature of this post", and I consider my reply very serious.
All I am saying is that there are reasons, it's not like people are just pure evil if they change status and in fact are online. To me it seems you just take that as a specific action against you.
Besides, if you haven't noticed, nobody really agreed with you in this thread so far, I believe this is as serious as the replies will get.

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just quit your whining and maybe then you'll got more people talking back :roll:


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just quit your whining and maybe then you'll got more people talking back :roll:


that too :lol:


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are you out of your fucking minds?? have you understand the nature of the subject at all?? you think i am whining?? are you fucking serious?? do i look like a whining kind of guy?? simply stupids quit on replying to topics that you do not understand it will save both your time and my topics from stupids replies

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you know black, just because someone does not agree with you it does not mean they do not understand what you are saying. :roll:
You asked for our opinions and you got them. Unfortunately it turned out nobody agrees with you. Don't ask a question if you don't want to hear the answer. Don't state an opinion if you are not prepared to deal with discussions and disagreement.

And for the record: I agree with what has been said by others here. To me it's no ig deal if someone does not immediately reply on MSN or is in offline status. I know my friends have their reasons to do that as I have mine. And I do not consider it rude at all.

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redbossfan wrote:
You asked for our opinions and you got them. Unfortunately it turned out nobody agrees with you. Don't ask a question if you don't want to hear the answer. Don't state an opinion if you are not prepared to deal with discussions and disagreement.

Exactly!
that's basically what I meant with my previous post! :P
well.... I kinda kept it short! :roll:


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are you out of your fucking minds?? have you understand the nature of the subject at all?? you think i am whining?? are you fucking serious?? do i look like a whining kind of guy?? simply stupids quit on replying to topics that you do not understand it will save both your time and my topics from stupids replies


Read above to know why people don't like to talk to Black.

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Folks, take it easy, okay? This is still a band forum, no need to offend anyone or anyones opinion. Don't misuse this place as a couch doctor or something.
In the end you don't really know the people behind their nicknames, so please don't take anything too seriously.

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